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Regular Google search with site:forum.miata.net added to your search terms works a lot better than vBulletin's built in search feature. Examples: site:forum.miata.net seal puller and site:forum.miata.net timing belt. IMO there is so much info available it's shame when those not familiar with Miata's make the same mistake others have.

Lisle 58430 Shaft Type Seal Puller highly recommended.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/miata-per...na6-tools.html
Flyin' Miata crank bolt tool and seal installer tools are nice to have. Some pull the cam caps to do the cam seals.

Sliding a layer or three of plastic cut from a soda/water/whatever bottle between the crank seal and the crank to protect the crank from scratches/gouges during seal removal is highly recommended.

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Originally Posted by gtxhawaii

NOT the hooked seal puller in the second link. It works fine for wrenchers that made their learning curve gouges in seal surfaces so long ago they don't remember. Use the nice Lisle pedestal tool (I got mine), or pacomutt's paint can lid puller (I have three), which I'd bend to a bit sharper angle, for more of a dependably catching hook. Ideal is a hook in the paint can lid tool, or the similar Lisle tool, whose hook is longer than the space between rotating seal surface and the hard metal of the seal. This means the tool won't slip off the seal case and slide out of the opening once inserted and turned up behind the seal edge.
The drill and screw method seems a poor answer when better tools are faster and safer. My try with that ended up learning about filling a gouge with JB Weld, and polishing out the repair to restore a cam seal surface. Thankfully it wasn't a crank nose I got my education on. The comment above you can 'avoid having' to remove the front bearing cap is totally opposite my thinking. I'm thankful a few turns of ratchet and socket remove ALL chances of screwing the pooch and making a simple job into a giant hassle.
As above, I now put a thin wipe of gasket RTV sealant on the outer wall of all oil seals. It makes prior damage to the seal bore not a problem, and lubricates the seal installation.
If you've never done oil seals, buy the FM tools. They make messing up the job remarkably difficult. Which I can't say is true of the old school use of the back of a socket or extension I use.
DO lube the apex of any seal right before fitting it, and the surface it will have rotating against it, and all the metal between where you start the seal onto it's shaft, and where it ends up. Dry seals may abrade on startup soon fail from the few dry turns of the crankshaft before the oil pump supplies pressurized oil to the back/inside of an oil seal.
Looking inside any oil seal you'll find a perimeter spring right behind the working apex of the seal. This keeps necessary tension on the seal apex, and is easily knocked out of place when sliding the seal over the often sharp edge of a cylindrical seal surface. Many shops have sets of cone shaped tools in all the common diameters, designed to ramp open seals and slide them painlessly onto seal surfaces, avoiding any chance of displacing the spring, or cutting the seal apex.
As with Any metal tool in the general vicinity of the crucial polished seal surface, I put sturdy plastic of some sort under the seal apex, between tool and smooth rotating metal I want still that way when I'm through. The Lisle tool is non-marring, IF you don't turn it on edge even a bit. Sliding on the smooth back of the extractor, it's harmless. Edged a bit on it's side, we got gouges. You aren't using these tools in great light on a work bench at standing height. Be kind to your crank nose by making allowances for tired muscles, poor light, maybe old eyes, bent over awkwardly, and a less than full time Miata seal worker at the controls. So a protective shield is a few moments cutting up a plastic water, bleach or soda pop bottle, versus hours to days repairing a damaged seal surface, or waiting for a new Redi-Sleeve repair sleeve to ship in. And good luck getting one of those on perfect your first time.

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Originally Posted by MiataHeal

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Originally Posted by gtxhawaii

Cam seals are a mistake to remove with a puller. Even that risk is unnecessary. Unbolt the first cam journal cap, pick the seal out with fingers. The front crank oil seal comes out probably safest with Lisle #58430 puller, but I still put a piece of water bottle plastic under the area I'm working on to protect the crucial polished rotating seal surface.
Many will change out the timing belt idler and tensioner bearings at a high mileage belt change. Mazda recommends 60k, experience seems to show their CA recommended 100k is still conservative. I'd do one at 120k if I thought it hadn't been done. We know the branding of the original factory belts, so there are clues.
I swap accessory belts depending on inspection, not miles.
Given the work most will replace the valve cover gasket. I've had success with cleaned up Mazda gaskets, but I Knew they were Mazdas, or I wouldn't have tried.
The CAS O-ring is a PITA to change alone, far easier if the valve cover is off.
Swapping the coolant hoses is more relevant to preventative maintenance than anything else listed, in my opinion. I haven't had that low of mileage radiator show any reason for replacement, nor hoses to be honest, but a bad hose kills engines faster than the typical slow decline of a radiator. All my radiator problems have been cooling fin corrosion, no clogs. Which may be due to our environment, so YMMV, insects here are a year round suicide squad waiting for any speeding automobile.
Current 'full' radiator kits don't include the connection section of the upper? heater hose pipe behind the firewall, nor the cursed about water cap on the back of the head of 1.6s. Tommy at forum sponsor Priority Mazda knows all about them.
If a new radiator (TYC/Koyo 1140 from Amazon if they are still shipping them), a new thermostat and cap are common purchases. Mazda cap seems more reliable, others 'test' free at many parts stores. The Mazda t-stat seems considerably more reliable, the identical O'Reilly 52592 is being 'tested' and works the same for less.
Read up here on heater hoses and clamps, and on thermostat cap bolts before work. Getting educated by busting stuff, then reading up is expensive.
I let sleeping thermostat housing O-rings lie, if you don't, get the right Mazda part. Generics are too big (Snap off housing ears when screws are torqued down) or too small, (Leak).
Get inch- and ft-lb torque wrenches. I consider them essential for Miata work, and I've been doing this awhile. Elitists diss the dirt cheap (~$11@ on special) Harbor Freight torque wrenches. Members with the facilities to test them are impressed by the accuracy. The inch-lb tool has a soft click, so I practice with it at the desired setting before each use, to re-familiarize my ears and hands to the tool signals. No other source has as accessible and comprehensive set of torques as prb's private pages. These are also in the Wiki, but I usually can't find them. Bet you don't either. The easy to find San Diego Club torques are missing too many important ones to be useful in my work.

All of The Miata King's videos have left out things often brought up on forum threads. But they are still very useful. As one of several information sources. Video shows what may not be clear from text, particularly for people new to Miatas or the work, or to automotive English. Incomplete anything is augmented by other material covering the omissions. My first timing belt was done straight out of Haynes. No complaints with the reference. Some printings have only the 1.8 spark plug order. 1.6s are reversed.

I just completed a full engine front-end rebuild of my 90,000 mile 1991 1/2 Miata (i.e., TB, pulleys, WP, hoses, seals, belts, etc.). After reading the many pertinent posts and viewing the many videos, the process went very well and dare I say it, enjoyable. My Miata runs better than ever! Don't be afraid to do-it-yourself if you have reasonable mechanical skills and have access to the appropriate tools. Many thanks to all who have contributed to this Forum!! It ain't broke, but I want to fix it! (7)

ps -- After taking in so much of the information that is available, one can become a bit overwhelmed and hesitant to proceed. Just start taking things apart and all will soon be familiar and obvious.

Note: Bookmark http://wiki.miata.net/tiki-index.php and Phil Barnett's (R.I.P., Phil) "PRB's" archived pages.

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